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Wings Over Camarillo 2015 (Other Aircraft – Day Three)

Finally having reached Day Five of our five day inundation (infestation?) of pictures from “Wings Over Camarillo 2015”, I’ll mention one last time that on Saturday I featured the CAF SoCal aircraft that flew, on  Sunday there were pictures of people watching that airshow, on Monday I showed the first of three days of pictures of other, non-CAF SoCal aircraft that flew, and, of course, yesterday I showed the second of those three days.

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The CJ-7s that had accompanied “Executive Suite” (a B-25 bomber) made a final pass in review.

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Chuck Aaron flies the Red Bull Helicopter through maneuvers that I was taught were impossible. I was told you couldn’t possibly roll or loop a helicopter, or fly it inverted. Good thing that no one ever told Chuck! He truly does amazing things with that machine!

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Another plane type that I didn’t catch since I was often “on duty” during the show. There were several of them, they’re civilian, private aircraft, and they were REALLY stinkin’ fast on their passes. I don’t know for a fact that they were buzzing by even faster than the P-51s did, but it sure looked and felt like they did.

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There’s no good way to get a still picture that portrays what’s going on in a great aerobatics routine. Even with a video, with the camera moving around and following the action, you just don’t get the scope of watching someone dance and paint smoke all over a huge box in the sky above you. This is but one of the reasons that I urge everyone to get to an airshow every so often – it’s good for the soul.

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This (and the picture above) are Vicky Benzing flying the “purple plane,” which is a 1993 Extra Flugzeugbau 3005 aerobatics plane. It’s capable of plus-or-minus ten Gs.

The thought of ten Gs positive is daunting, since even trained fighter pilots and astronauts pass out at about seven or eight. Ten Gs negative? I’m thinking that might not be a good thing for me, even if the plane would be fine.

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The P-40 Warhawk from the Planes of Fame Museum show the classic “shark mouth” paint scheme that was made popular by the Flying Tigers in Southeast Asia during World War II. My favorite story about the Flying Tigers (and I would have to hunt for a citation, it’s something I read as a kid) was that, in order to fool the Japanese into thinking they had far more planes than they had (they had very few), they would change the propellers and spinners (nose cone on the propeller) with ones painted different colors, thus making it look at a glance to be a different plane.

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This is an all-time favorite plane of mine, and I haven’t seen one in a while. Maybe I watched too much “Black Sheep Squadron” as a kid (or as an adult) but I just love the F4-U Corsair (again, from the Planes of Fame Museum).

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Finishing out the “Navy flight” portion of the show (along with the CAF’s Zero, Hellcat, and Bearcat, seen here on Saturday and Sunday) is the SBD-5 Dauntless from the Planes of Fame Museum. A rugged dive bomber, the Dauntless also has a distinctive shape with the rear-facing gunner (hidden behind the wing here) and the big, slotted flaps on the trailing edge of the wings.

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It was a really great airshow! Join us next year – no date set yet, but probably the last weekend in August again, watch here for updates, of course. And remember, if you want to see a lot of these same planes (we’ll be there from the CAF) as well as the indescribable Blue Angels, there’s a big airshow at Pt. Mugu on September 26th and 27th, four weeks from now.

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Wings Over Camarillo 2015 (Other Aircraft – Day Two)

Now on Day Four of our five day deluge of pictures from “Wings Over Camarillo 2015”, a reminder that on Saturday I featured the CAF aircraft that flew, on  Sunday I showed pictures of people watching that airshow, and yesterday I showed the first of three days of pictures of other, non-CAF SoCal aircraft that flew.

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The B-25 “Executive Suite” flew with a protective flight of CJ-7 fighters.

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The P-63C Kingcobra “Pretty Polly” is a gorgeous plane. Not a whole lot of Kingcobras still out there, this one from the Palm Springs Air Museum.

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Yesterday I identified this P-51 as “Red Tail,” which is incorrect. I remembered hearing that over the airshow PA system, but it must have been a descriptor, not a name. This is the P-51 “Bunny” from the Palm Springs Air Museum.

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This is a very rare P-38 Lightning. As noted yesterday, only nine still fly of the over 9,900 built. This is “23 Skidoo” from the Planes of Fame Museum in Chino, CA.

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The P-47 Thunderbolt was basically a flying tank. This is one heavy, fat, powerful plane, with a lot of armor in the cockpit to keep the pilot safe(r). This might be “Squirt VIII” from the Palm Springs Air Museum, but if so, she’s sporting a new paint job.

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The C-47 transport “What’s Up Doc?” is also a Palm Springs Air Museum aircraft. She’s used to drop the various parachutists during the airshow.

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You’ve seen both of these aircraft, the CAF SoCal’s P-51 “Man O’ War” (on short final to land) and the P-38 “23 Skidoo” from the Planes of Fame. I just liked the way this picture turned out as it caught “Man O’ War” landing and “23 Skidoo” pulling onto its right base leg to follow.

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One of the Red Bull jumpers, landing after exiting the C-47 over the field. With wingsuits they come down quickly before they pop their “sport” parachutes, which give them a lot of mobility and control.

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One more day of plane pictures, tomorrow.

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Wings Over Camarillo 2015 (Other Aircraft – Day One)

On Saturday I showed the CAF aircraft that flew at this last weekend’s “Wings Over Camarillo 2015” airshow, and yesterday I featured pictures of people watching that airshow. As I had mentioned, while I am partial to the CAF SoCal aircraft, since I’m on staff there as the Finance Officer, there were a lot of other aircraft in the air and other nice pictures taken. So I’m planning on sharing those pictures over the next three days.

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I believe this is a PT-19 trainer, similar to ours (shown in Saturday’s article), but with a much less flamboyant paint scheme.

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A trio of shiny Ryan PT-22 trainers, the PT-19’s more advanced model.

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For an old fashioned, slow and graceful aerobatics show, Dr. D (Dr. Frank Donnelly) delivers in his 1946 Taylorcraft.

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Three Navion variants. After World War II when they thought that everyone would have their own private plane just like they had a car, this was a key model developed for that market. It didn’t happen, obviously. Next year I’m hoping that there will be four Navions flying here – one was recently donated to the SoCal CAF wing and with a little bit of work she’ll be ready to fly again.

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The Grumman Albatross, obviously a sea plane. Originally designed for sea search & rescue, this one is now used for advertising. It still makes a quite pleasant amount of noise on takeoff.

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Part of the Condor Squadron, a group of T-6 Texans based out of Van Nuys Airport. These three are painted with German markings, but it’s still an Allied plane. Known as the T-6 Texan to the Army Air Corp, the SNJ to the Navy, or the Harvard to the Brits and Aussies, this was the trainer you moved into after you mastered the basics of flying in a PT-19 or a PT-22.

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Sometimes the autofocus kicks in and you don’t get quite what you were expecting (that’s the “Red Tail” P-51 Mustang approaching), but…

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…sometimes it works and you get a really great shot of a P-38 Lightning.  9,923 Lightnings were built, of which only NINE are still flying, with three or four in various stages of restoration. This is “23 Skidoo” from the Planes Of Fame Museum in Chino, CA.

Have I ever told my P-38 story from my flight training? I must have! No? Okay, let me check and get back to you on that.

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Sometimes you catch something else stunning, in this case a pair of P-51 Mustangs roaring by in formation. On the left is the “Red Tail,” on the right is the CAF SoCal’s “Man O’ War.”  They do make a most distinctive and beautiful sound roaring by at 200 knots!

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Wings Over Camarillo 2015 (Day Two)

It was another great day at the airshow – the weather stayed wonderful, the crowd was excited, and somehow it was an even longer day than yesterday. Fourteen hour days with about 90%+ of it on your feet and dashing around isn’t necessarily an old man’s game. Not that I’m old, mind you…

Yesterday I had lots of pictures of our CAF planes participating in the show. Tomorrow I’ll probably have more pictures that are focused on the other planes (and helicopters, and skydivers) in the show. But for today I want to look at the people attending the show. It occurred to me yesterday that while I’m often watching the planes flying (when I’m not working the show and dashing about), everyone else around me is doing the same. But we rarely look at each other.

So today I went looking for people watching the planes and taking their own pictures. In reviewing these photos to pick the ones to include here, I’m finding that I love the idea and will have to do it again at other airshows.

There are a lot of looks of wonder, joy, and amazement out there at an airshow. Everyone’s looking up!

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Wings Over Camarillo 2015 (Day One)

It was a great day at the airshow – a long, long, long day, but a great day nonetheless. The weather was really good, a bit hazy and muggy but only in the low 80s with a nice breeze. (Since last week it was in the mid 90s, this wasn’t bad.) The crowds were good, no one got hurt, no metal got bent, and a good time was had by all.

There were lots of planes, both on the ground and in the sky, but for tonight I’m just going to share the ones the CAF had flying and the star of the show, the Marine Osprey. As you might expect, despite working my little buns off all day, I still managed to take over 900 DSLR pictures, plus video, plus cellphone pictures… You might be seeing airshow pictures for a few days.

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Our PT-19. “PT” stands for “Primary Trainer,” which is what this aircraft was used for at the beginning of World War II.

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Our Spitfire, “chasing off” a “German attacker”. The attacker is actually a US “Texan” or “SNJ” trainer painted as a German Messerschmidt, and in this case the Spitfire was going a lot faster and actually passed his target, which would have made it the target instead. But let’s assume that before passing the target the Spitfire would have shot it down first.

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“Man O’ War,” our P-51 Mustang. Yes, it is going that fast and, YES!!, it is that cool to fly in her. (I can arrange that for a very reasonable fee, actually.)

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The belly of our Zero, turning away because someone was “chasing” her.

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Our F6F Hellcat. Might have been “chasing” a Zero.

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Our F8F Bearcat.

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Yeah, they’re still at it. That is the Hellcat chasing the Zero.

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The Marine V-22 “Osprey”. Those are freakishly huge propellers and this is a fantastic all-purpose aircraft, although that may not be obvious from this photo. Here it’s passing by at about 180 knots.

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Same aircraft, with a slight change in its configuration. Here it’s hovering at about 0 knots. Now we know why it’s got those honkin huge propellers.

Is it a slightly smaller-and-slower-than-average airplane or a monstrously huge helicopter? Yes, yes it is.

It also occurred to me late this afternoon that this, with the exception of the Osprey,  was just about the same lineup we had last year, so the pictures are very similar to the pictures I posted last year. I’m sure I’ll take more pictures tomorrow, but maybe I’ll look for a different “angle.”

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The Planes Are Gathering

Have I mentioned that there’s an airshow in Camarillo, CA this weekend?

Have I mentioned that the Southern California Wing of the Commemorative Air Force, where I’m the Finance Officer, is one of the key players in that airshow and will have all of our planes either on display or flying every afternoon?

Things were heating up and getting busy today as everyone goes through their final preparations and the planes based at other locations are starting to come in. Late this afternoon, turning a lot of fuel into noise, this Navy E2 Hawkeye arrived and taxied by the CAF ramp:

On both Saturday and Sunday, the gates open at 09:00. There will be plenty of static displays, planes of all types (as well as some classic hot rods, jeeps and other ground equipment, and so on) on the ground where you can get up close and personal. There will also be plenty of places to get something to drink (like our hangar with water, sodas, beer, and margaritas for sale) or eat (we’ll have some snacks for sale), or some souveneirs, shirts, hats, toys, models, pins, etc (like at our hangar where our entire PX will be available, including the new and exclusive “Wings Over Camarillo 2015” T-shirts and our new shirts and hats for the PBJ that’s almost ready to fly again).

Have I mentioned that I’m the Finance Officer?

The flying starts at noon and will go through 17:00. There will be acrobatic demonstrations, warbirds (many of which are ours), the Red Bull helicopter doing things that shouldn’t really be possible in a helicopter, parachute jumpers, and a demonstration of the MV-22 “Osprey” which you have to see to believe.

If you can make it out to join us, stop by the CAF ramp (we’re the furthest point to the west you can go as an airshow visitor) to say hello. You can’t miss us, we’ve got a ginormous construction site with the two new hangars going up. (The steel framework looked like it was about 90% in as of this afternoon.) You’ll find me running around doing finance stuff, generally helping out wherever I can, and maybe getting to help move some planes around during the show.

It’s going to be fun!

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ORD To LAX – The Clouds

Since I recently flew from Chicago to Los Angeles with a window seat, a clear day, my trusty Canon Rebel xTi, a full battery, and an empty memory card, I’ve been sharing the things that I saw. First there were the small and sometimes not-so-small airports and towns, then some obvious landmarks and way points.

Today, it’s proof that it wasn’t all “clear and a million” along the way. There were clouds.

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Over southwestern Kansas, it’s real obvious where the frontal boundary is. Lots of clouds north and east of the line, very few south and west of it.

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Way off in the distance (probably at least 30-40 miles away at this altitude) there was some convective activity, the humid, unstable air heating and rising, building up thunderstorms.

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Over New Mexico we were seeing very thin layers of clouds near us, looking almost grey or black in contrast to the white cumulus clouds building in the background.

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The cumulus clouds kept building, the thin layers above them got more broken. Despite all of the clouds and convective activity, I didn’t see any sign of any actual rain, so badly needed out here.

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Crossing into California, there were some pretty good sized cumulus starting to build over the Mohave Desert. Normally dry as a bone this time of year, and at the tail end of a historically severe four-year drought to boot, this day brought some moisture up from the Gulf of California, another remnant from a tropical storm or hurricane off of Baja.

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This has happened very, very rarely in the forty-plus years I’ve lived here. Normally the tropical storms start well south of Cabo san Lucas and head northwest toward Hawaii. This year we’ve already had three or four times where instead the storms steer almost due north up the coast. Normally this would kill the storms, since the waters there are cold and the storms get no energy from the water to feed on. This year the water is significantly warmer (building up to a record-breaking El Niño year?) and the storms survive long enough to batter Cabo and Baja and then get sucked up into the US Southwest.

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When all those things happen it can lead to some incredible flash floods in the desert. Remember the picture from yesterday of Big Sandy Wash in Arizona? Notice how wide the wash is, despite the fact that there may rarely be a significant amount of water in there? Something makes it that wide, and that something is an extremely violent flash flood. Even if it only happens every few decades, the scars it leaves on the landscape can last for hundreds or thousands of years.

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Approaching Los Angeles, the San Bernardino mountains to our north, Lake Arrowhead at 5,174 feet managed to peek through a hole in the clouds.

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On final approach into LAX we could see rain falling, but probably not finding the ground. (It was dry everywhere we went that afternoon and there was no sign of any rain earlier in the day.) Rain that falls but evaporates before it hits the ground is called “virga.”

That’s “v-i-r-g-a,” not “v-i-a-g-r-a-®.”

Completely different phenomenon.

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ORD To LAX – The Scenery

Yesterday I showed pictures of airports (and their associated towns and cities) as seen from my recent flight from Chicago O’Hare Airport (ORD) to Los Angeles International (LAX). Today, let’s look at other stuff you can see on the ground, not necessarily all aviation related.

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OK, so O’Hare is another airport, but this view of only a portion of it shows just how freakin’ huge it is. We had just taken off on one of those runways before turning left and left again to head southwest toward Los Angeles.

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The Mississippi River is an easy landmark to spot. We passed over it just north of St. Louis.

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When it’s clear below you, you can just follow the interstate highway system to keep track of where you are. I know, the folks up front in the big commercial jets all use GPS and an autopilot with backup systems to the backup systems’ backup systems. But for a little guy like me, if I’m flying at 8,000 feet instead of being up with the jets at 38,000 feet (probably a good thing, because I could get sucked into an engine and then we’d both have a bad day) with minimal backup systems and high tech, all of these nice, straight, divided highways are very useful.

The big highway here is I-35, the town is Cassoday, Kansas (population 128), and the smaller road running parallel to it and then crossing it is Kansas Highway 177. The small V-shaped lake at the right is Fox Lake.

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Once you get into far western Oklahoma the plains start to vanish and the landscape gets carved up. These canyons are near Kenton Oklahoma, where the New Mexico, Kansas, and Oklahoma borders all meet.

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Once you cross into New Mexico, it’s still relatively flat (for the moment) but it’s a chaotic landscape.

Easy to fly over at 38,000 feet, 425 knots, and air-conditioned comfort – must have been a real pain to travel in a wagon behind a pair of mules. Keep that in mind the next time you want to bitch about the TSA or not getting as much leg room as you used to.

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This feature stuck out like a sore thumb, but even though I knew more or less where we were when I took it, it still took some hunting on Google Earth to find it. It’s the Capulin Volcano National Monument, sixty miles northwest of Clayton, New Mexico, just south of the Colorado border.

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Just to the east of Taos, New Mexico, the Sangre de Cristo Mountains push up to well above 10,000 feet, with several peaks above 12,000 feet. Wheeler Peak is the highest point in New Mexico at 13,161 feet.

At first I thought there were patches of snow up there, but I doubt it now, even given that altitude. I guess it’s possible (anyone in the Taos region able to correct me?) but I suspect these are buildings of some sort, masquerading as patches of snow.

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Once you get into Arizona it’s lots of land suitable only for lizards and snakes. (In my humble opinion.) Out here, water is more precious than gold, even before you get into a four-year drought. The dried up river beds still have some moisture, so that’s where you see the tiny swaths of green, often alongside a distinct flood plain.

This one is the Big Sandy Wash, notable enough to be a landmark listed on VFR flight charts. The small town at the bottom is Wikieup, Arizona (population 305) and the highway running alongside the left (west) side of the Wash is US Highway 93.

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Finally back over California, the Mojave Desert stretches from the Colorado River to the metropolitan areas of Los Angeles and San Diego along the coast. The only reason the Mojave is “shrinking” is because people keep building cities in places like Palm Springs and irrigating the crap out of them in order to build golf courses.

Here we were north of Twenty-Nine Palms, above the Cleghorn Lakes Wilderness Area. (Cleghorn LAKES? I can only assume this is someone’s idea of a joke. Perhaps they have a yacht club as well?) In the upper right corner, just above that long cloud, you can see the Twenty-Nine Palms Salt Evaporation facility. Just beyond is the historic Route 66 and the ghost town of Amboy.

I’ll give credit to all of those who traveled this course on foot, on horse, and in covered wagons. They were tougher men (and women, and children) than I am. A comfy window seat at 35,000 feet works just fine for me, thanks.

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ORD To LAX – The Airports

Give me a window seat on a four-hour flight in decent weather during daylight and there might be just a few pictures taken. Some of those might not suck.

There’s a lot to see if you pay attention out of the plane window. Let’s start with the airports and their towns.

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Bloomington, Illinois. I actually lived here for six months when I was four years old. I’m assuming you can see our house from here.

The airport to the bottom right of center is the Central Illinois Regional Airport At Bloomington-Normal (KBMI). The big runway (running left to right) is 8,000 feet, the slightly smaller one (top to bottom) is 6,525 feet. No sweat!

For reference, a Cessna 172 or the like can land easily in 4,000 feet. Something like a small business jet needs 5,000 feet or so (they fly out of Camarillo at 6,013 feet all the time) and a Boeing 737 needs about 5,700 feet. Note that all of these types of planes can, and often do, land routinely on shorter runways. The figures I’ve given are ballpark figures for what is “easy,” but given preparation, acceptable weather and location, and pilot preparation, they can all land in something like 75% to 80% of that distance.

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Springfield, Illinois. I lived in one of the other Springfields (the one in Vermont) but have been here to see the state capital.

Abraham Lincoln Capital Airport (KSPI) has three big runways, 8,001 feet, 7,400 feet, and 5,300 feet. Being pointed off in different directions it’s easy to pick one that close to being in the same direction of the wind, with minimal crosswinds.

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Columbia Regional Airport (KCOU) in Columbia, Missouri. The two runways are 6,501 feet and 4,401 feet.

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Central Kansas has a lot of big airports. Near Hutchison, Kansas you can see the Sunflower Aerodrome (SN76) in the lower left and the Hutchison Airport (KHUT) just to the right above center.

Sunflower is a private airport operating as a glider port with three runways, the longest being 7,000 feet. Originally built as a Naval Air Station during World War II, it is now apparently a great place to go gliding, something I have yet to try. “Yet,” I said.

Hutchison has major runways of 7,004 feet and 6,000 feet, with a small third runway of 4,252. (Little guys like me usually get the smaller runway if it’s busy, but if the weather or the situation demands it we can ask for, and get, any of the runways. Even at a place like LAX or ORD.)

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Pratt Regional Airport (KPTT) in the upper right, the town of Pratt, Kansas in the lower left. The only active runway is the big 5,500 foot one. The smaller runway that goes off at an angle is closed and out of service. My favorite comment in the official FAA listing of the airport is, “Do not mistake lighted cattle pens for lighted runway.” Good advice, that.

The triangular layout (even though only one of the runways is still in use and one is gone completely) makes me think that this is another WWII training base. A little research shows that indeed, this was the site of the Pratt Army Air Field where B-29 crews trained. Given that, it’s not surprising that there is an All Veterans Museum Complex being built, dedicated to the “Bombers On The Prairie.”

That’s the kind of thing that I just love digging up and discovering.

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Hugoton Airport (KHQG), just north of the Oklahoma border, has a big 5,000 foot runway and a smaller 2,626 foot one.

In 1952 a Braniff DC-4 en route from Denver to Dallas made an emergency landing here with an engine fire. When the plane burned to the ground after landing there were some injuries, but no fatalities. Favorite comments from the incident report are, “…one of the hostesses advised the crew that the right wing was on fire,” and, “the nr. 3 engine fell from the aircraft and a pronounced buffeting was experienced.” Sounds like the captain did a hell of a job that day!

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The airport in Lake Havasu City, Arizona (KHII) can be seen just to the right of center. While I’ve never flown in there (one of these days, it’s going to happen) I’ve driven by a couple dozen times, having been a regular visitor to Lake Havasu in the past. The Colorado River runs from top to bottom in this view, with California on the left, Arizona on the right, and Lake Havasu in the middle, formed by the backup in the Colorado River caused by the Parker Dam (just out of view to the lower left).

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Ontario International (KONT), on final approach into Los Angeles International (LAX) but still about fifty miles out, in San Bernardino County. Ontario is a commercial airport, capable of handling all of the big jets. It’s fun to land a Cessna there, you could almost land sideways on the runway they’re so wide. It’s also fun to be out taxiing around with jumbo jets – as long as they don’t roll right over you or suck you into an engine. (Unlikely, but…)

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Over the Los Angeles megalopolis, you can see a handful of small general aviation airports where once there were dozens and dozens. Just to the upper left of center here you can see Cable Airport (KCBB) in Upland. It’s a charming place to fly into, even if it’s only to have a “$100 hamburger” at Maniac Mike’s Cafe.

To clarify for the non-pilots, the food doesn’t cost $100. Pilots have to fly regularly to stay current, and flying around in a circle at your home airport doing touch-and-goes, while it will qualify, is sort of boring. Instead, pick a place and go for lunch. Lots of small airports have restaurants or cafes and it’s much more fun (and better practice) to fly somewhere different. It helps to keep you sharp on your navigation, radio skills, landing and taking off in different conditions and circumstances, and so on. But, by the time you fly off for a half-hour to an hour (Cable is about twenty minutes from my usual “home” airport, Whiteman) and then fly back, it can cost about $100 for fuel, plane rental, insurance… Thus, the “$100 hamburger.”

All of this makes me wonder – how can people NOT be looking out of the windows on a cross-country commercial flight? I know I’m in a very, very small minority on this one, but I’ll stick with my belief that I’m the sane one and that vast majority is the group that has forgotten how übercool it is to see the world from 38,000 feet.

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New 737 Wingtips

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I had heard of these (several of our pilots at the CAF are airline pilots in their day jobs) but this was the first time that I had seen them in the wild.

The new 737s have them, a double wingtip instead of the single upturned wingtip that’s been in wide use for a few years. In addition, the bottom one is angled differently and shaped differently than the “standard” upper one. Very interesting.

It’s all about efficiency and fuel economy, which in turn is all about money, of course. What it also allows is the new 737s to fly a lot further. For example, my LAX to Newark trip outbound last month was a 737. All of the earlier 737s were built for short hauls, such as LA to San Francisco, LA to Denver, LA to Dallas. Now they can go across the continent.

The original research on the “standard” upturned wingtip came out of NASA’s Armstrong Flight Research center, which is of course where I’ve been for several NASA Socials. I don’t know if the research on the “double wingtip” came from there, but I’ll see if I can find out.

In short, the next time you think that the tax dollars spent on NASA don’t affect you – look out at the wingtips of your planes.

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